New discoveries on the Shroud of Turin inspire viral AI image of Jesus
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New Evidence for the Authenticity of the Shroud of Turin: Digging for Truth Episodes 248/249
Items reported to be represented by the shroud:
- image itself
- blood
- native flowers
- native pollen
- native dirt at nose feet and knees
- bruises
- 120 lacerations 700 wounds
- bent nose
- crown of thorns and associated wounds
- thumbs bent under fingers
- bent knees
- pints of blood soaked through fibers
- the image only on the fiber surface
- burn marks
- patches containing cotton and linen
- nail marks at wrists and feet
- scourge marks
- spear wound in side
- red blood due to stress effects
- no artist paints or dyes
- type AB blood?
- Bruised cheek and shoulder abrasions potentially due to carrying the crossbeam (patibulum).
- coins on eyes?
- fibers showing decay for 2000 years
- patches dated to be about 700 years old.
BOA question: Which of the above reported findings do you find to be the most compelling, unusual, unexpected?
BOA question: After examining the information above do you believe that the Shroud is:
A. Still a medieval hoax
B. Still indeterminate
C. The actual burial shroud of Jesus Christ
BOA question: If you selected C above, how does this inform and or modify your relationship with Jesus Christ?
Questions asked to BOA concerning this shroud presentation?
1. How could pollen be on the shroud for this long?
https://www.shroud.com/danin2.htm
THE ORIGIN OF THE SHROUD OF TURIN
FROM THE NEAR EAST AS EVIDENCED BY
PLANT IMAGES AND BY POLLEN GRAINS
by Dr. Avinoam Danin,
Professor of Botany, Department of Evolution, Systematics, and Ecology
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel 91904 Copyright 1998
“Hundreds of images of plant parts, such as flowers, flowering buds, fruits, stems, and leaves were found on high-grade photographs made from negatives by Enrie of 1931.”
“Nearly thirty species have been identified visually from the Shroud images. This correlates significantly with the studies by forensic microscopist Dr. Max Frei, who took sticky tape samples from the Shroud in 1973 and 1978. He found many pollen grains on these tapes, and tentatively identified some fifty-eight genera or species, mostly from plants growing in the Near East. Gundelia tournefortii L., a thorn, is one of the plants whose images I identified near the anatomical right side of the head image. Dr. Uri Baruch, palynologist with the Israel Antiquities Authority who made his M.SC. and Ph.D. dissertations on the flora of Israel, analyzed most of Frei’s 1973 sticky tape pollen specimens and ten of the twenty-five 1978 sticky tapes. He examined 165 pollen grains, of which 45 (27.3%) were Gundelia tournefortii.”
AI Grok search: Has pollen been found on Egyptian mummy linen wrappings?
Yes, pollen has been found on Egyptian mummy linen wrappings, providing evidence of environmental conditions, embalming practices, and cultural uses of plants. Below are key findings and sources related to pollen on mummy wrappings:
Source: Clarke, R., & Merlin, M. (2013). Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany.
Cannabis Pollen on Ramesses II’s Mummy Wrappings (19th Dynasty, ~1213 BCE)
Finding: Seven grains of cannabis pollen were identified on the linen wrappings of Pharaoh Ramesses II, alongside cotton pollen. Paleobotanists suggest these may indicate non-native plants, possibly introduced through trade.
Context: The cannabis pollen aligns with its documented use in ancient Egypt for medicinal purposes (e.g., in the Ebers Papyrus for treating glaucoma, inflammation, or as an enema) and ritual practices. The pollen could have adhered to the linen during embalming or from environmental exposure.
2. What is the best evidence for blood on the Shroud of Turin?
AI Grok 3 response:
Conclusion: The strongest evidence lies in the chemical and forensic data—hemoglobin, porphyrins, bilirubin, and serum halos—indicating the presence of real human blood from a traumatized individual. While these findings don’t prove the shroud’s authenticity as Jesus’ burial cloth, they strongly suggest the blood stains are not the result of typical artistic techniques. For further reading, Adler and Heller’s work or the STURP reports are key sources.
3. What is the Sudarium of Oviedo, aka the head cloth?
Merriam-Webster – sudarium “a linen square carried by the upper classes in Roman times (as for wiping perspiration from the face)
https://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm
The Sudarium of Oviedo:
Its History and Relationship to the Shroud of Turin
Mark Guscin, B.A. M.Phil. Copyright 1997
“The remarkable thing about this cloth is that both tradition and scientific studies claim that the cloth was used to cover and clean the face of Jesus after the crucifixion. We are going to present and look into these claims.”
“Coincidence with the Shroud
The sudarium alone has revealed sufficient information to suggest that it was in contact with the face of Jesus after the crucifixion. However, the really fascinating evidence comes to light when this cloth is compared to the Shroud of Turin.
The first and most obvious coincidence is that the blood on both cloths belongs to the same group, namely AB.
The length of the nose through which the pleural oedema fluid came onto the sudarium has been calculated at eight centimetres, just over three inches. This is exactly the same length as the nose on the image of the Shroud.
If the face of the image on the Shroud is placed over the stains on the sudarium, perhaps the most obvious coincidence is the exact fit of the stains with the beard on the face. As the sudarium was used to clean the man’s face, it appears that it was simply placed on the face to absorb all the blood, but not used in any kind of wiping movement.
A small stain is also visible proceeding from the right hand side of the man’s mouth. This stain is hardly visible on the Shroud, but Dr. John Jackson, using the VP-8 and photo enhancements has confirmed its presence.
The thorn wounds on the nape of the neck also coincide perfectly with the bloodstains on the Shroud.
Dr. Alan Whanger applied the Polarized Image Overlay Technique to the sudarium, comparing it to the image and bloodstains on the Shroud. The frontal stains on the sudarium show seventy points of coincidence with the Shroud, and the rear side shows fifty. The only possible conclusion is that the Oviedo sudarium covered the same face as the Turin Shroud.”
Subject: Sudurium of Oviedo video
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+sudarium+of+oviedo
Length 56:31
4. Why doesn’t the Sudarium of Oviedo have an image like the Shroud of Turin?
AI Grok 3 response:
The Sudarium of Oviedo lacks an image like the Shroud of Turin primarily due to differences in their use, contact time with the body, and the mechanisms proposed for image formation on the Shroud. Here’s a concise explanation based on available evidence and scholarly analysis:
Different Purpose and Use: The Sudarium, a smaller cloth (approximately 84 x 53 cm), was likely used to cover and clean the face of a crucified individual shortly after death, as described in John 20:6–7. It was placed on the head temporarily to absorb blood and fluids, consistent with Jewish burial customs to show respect and cover a disfigured face. The Shroud, a larger linen (about 4.36 x 1.1 meters), was used to wrap the entire body for burial, remaining in prolonged contact. The Sudarium’s brief use—likely less than an hour—limited the opportunity for any image-forming process compared to the Shroud’s extended contact
5. Is there pollen from the other regions that the Shroud of Turin traveled to?
AI Grok 3 response:
Conclusion: The pollen evidence, particularly from Frei and Danin, strongly suggests the Shroud was exposed to environments in the Middle East (Palestine, Turkey) and Europe (France, Italy), consistent with its proposed historical journey. Middle Eastern pollen, especially from Jerusalem-area plants, is the most compelling for linking it to the region of Jesus’ crucifixion. However, contamination risks and methodological debates mean the evidence isn’t conclusive on its own. For deeper insight, Danin’s Botany of the Shroud (2010) is a key resource.
6. What is the explanation of the burn marks on the Shroud of Turin?
AI Grok 3 response:
Appearance and Pattern of Burn Marks: The burn marks appear as symmetrical, triangular holes and scorched areas, concentrated in two main rows along the length of the cloth. These correspond to the Shroud’s folded state (likely in a 48-layer configuration) during the fire, with the molten silver burning through the layers in a consistent pattern. Smaller burn holes and scorched edges are also visible, particularly near the center of the cloth.
Conclusion: The primary burn marks on the Shroud of Turin are conclusively linked to the 1532 Chambery fire, caused by molten silver and thermal damage, with repairs made in 1534. Smaller, older marks like the poker holes suggest earlier minor damage, but their origin is less clear. The burns are distinct from the body image and blood stains, as confirmed by STURP’s analyses. For further details, STURP’s 1978 reports or historical accounts of the Chambery fire are reliable sources.
References:
source Dr. John Campbell
Shroud.com
https://www.shroud.com/menu.htm
Shroudphotos.com
https://shroudphotos.com
3D Image
https://shroud3d.com/conversion-of-2d-to-3d/3d-movies-of-the-head-and-body/
Shroud fabric – BROKEN LINK
https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/ssi3233pa…
3D reconstruction – BROKEN LINK
https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/ssi3233pa…
STURP conclusions
https://www.shroud.com/78conclu.htm
Study on radiocarbon result – BROKEN LINK
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science…
New dating study on X ray scattering
https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/5/2/47
Polon studies – BROKEN LINK
https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/ur